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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.04.11 05:35:00 -
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Looks good, very good . .can actually see myself flying them ... but I am confused. You are doing a major shake-up of the T1 lines and navy is on paper a fairly straight improvement of said lines yet you designed the Nomen to deviate/specialize a lot almost to the level of T2.
Are the Navy BS going to be their own thing like the Nomen or follow the T1 line? Consistency man, Consistency!
Whine/Rant: Now all we need is for FW farming to be curtailed so that vanilla BCs will still see use post-patch as the combination of infinite LP and high volume LP intensive hulls such as these BCs will depress the value even further, taking even more away from "legitimate" pilots. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
574
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Posted - 2013.04.11 06:36:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:How the hell does Brutix have more low slots than the Harbi.... can someone explain that to me?
Also the prices from the devblog are just hilarious.
Can only hope it is a 'whoopsie' coming from the desire to differentiate the hulls .. can't have the same pitiful lowslot count as Amarr after all and by Jove, Gallente cannot exist with less than 4 mids or the necessity of sacrificing damage for utility!
Axe a high or mid CCP, lows are out since you seem adamant to turn everything on its head and give more lows to one of the mid/low races than the pure low race (ref: Mega) 
With tracking it doesn't really need the 4th mid and it will merely be used for eWar so if ability to have a cyno/cloak/salvager is paramount, so ...
As for prices, looks good. Enough for them to be used primarily by the moon-rich, FW-alt-users and GTC sellers .. ignore the pleas from the rabble for now .. when/if you get around to limiting LP generation it can be lowered .. right? |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
575
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:10:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:The idea of a navy BC is supposed to be a BC that has been adapted to the use of the said navy/fleet. All of them have had that, but clearly the Amarrians want all their ships to be terrible. Having that many lows on a navy harbinger seems a little underwhelming, even lore wise.
Lore died when they dismantled the backstory dept. .. they are technically free to do whatever they want and can justify it easily enough by expunging any infringing documents. Now if only we could get word on what will happen with lasers in future or have the ships that loses the cap bonus get appropriate cap.
With five mids you open up for viable 'lol-nano' fits or what I think will happen, insanely dangerous eWar porcupines .. tracking combined with enough mids-slots to prevent the enemy from even getting into the fight negates any need for a 'proper' tank.
Now if only we can get them to give the new Geddon that 5th mid as well, Amarr will once again rule the skies (albeit by abusing properties/effects not of their own ) |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.04.21 17:01:00 -
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Recoil IV wrote:So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?
RoF/Dam on Hurricane equates to a 66.67% dps increase, bring bigger ammo stacks though because RoF + Autos will bleed you dry right quick
Pretty sure the 50% damage + tracking option was discarded for the Cane as that would just encourage massive artillery abuse to a point where med AC market collapse (slight exaggeration for effect).
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.04.21 22:48:00 -
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Sylvous wrote:I'll take a 25% ROF bonus, tracking bonus and a 7th gun!
Yeah its less DPS than the current iteration, but the flexibility in having tracking makes up for it IMHO.
:)
BC sized SFI .. not sure that is a good idea .. pretty sure it would be rather unbalanced 
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.04.26 06:55:00 -
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cheese monkey wrote:...Harb is going to be the new SFI ... but insanely more powerful. Goodbye frigates...
How do you figure, the smallest bore medium pulse has 10-15% worse tracking than the largest bore autocannon .. the kicker is the five mids, that is what will make people die in droves. Full tackle, injector, prop and still a slot open .. fitting is irrelevant as you can boost grid/cpu with implants, rigs and mods.
That fifth midslot makes it a shield gank ship, perfect fight control brawler, dampening kiter .. you name it. You shouldn't run because it has tracking, but because you have no idea what you are facing until death has you in his clammy grip!
Drunken Bum wrote:So they havent come to their senses and they still plan on releasing these huh. Releasing a bunch of poorly thought out hulls is exactly the right direction this game needs while you guys do ship rebalancing. GJ.
What more would you like? They already have a hefty bump in EHP over vanilla BC and are just one slot short of th BS .. perhaps you were expecting stupidly OP hulls that could be blobbed ad nauseum by the owners of the FW alt farmers (*glances at null*).
If you just want OP BC's, then skip the navy hulls and wait patiently (yes, it is a word/concept) for the pirate BC's .. they are by definition a step up from navy and with navy being borderline ... |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:49:00 -
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Antimatter Launcher wrote:"Do we really need this speed ships more into the game?"
why not ? will you remove all BC,s because they are similar to BS ? would be boring.
i like eve for every ship more and more. it becomes more complexity.
more complexity = more fun.
Amazing that one can still run into indiscriminate consumers in this day and age, the only thing it has going for it is that it is easier to spell than conscientious.
When next you go to the supermarket and see row upon row of white bread loaves with varying shapes and prices, take a look at the ingredient lists and where-who made them .. quite the epiphany for most people. The fact that there are more to choose from does not mean that there are more choices .. think about it .. and then apply it to Eve.
We pushed for (and got) CCP to perpetrate tiericide to get rid of all the false choices that we had lived for years and years. Yes we had 20 odd frigates to choose from, but only 2-3 was ever actually used .. yes we had .. see where I am going with this?
Adding (or modifying existing) ships without taking into account how they slot into the existing line-ups will inevitably result in the quagmire we and CCP have fought to get rid off .. lots of stuff that does nothing apart from take up database space.
Theia Matova wrote:...Anyway NBCs are simply 'fast' BSes and EVE really does not need more ship hulls that compete with BS.
Look at the bonuses, they are not fast BS but more like heavy cruisers (semantics are FUN! ) .. EHP might need to be toned down a bit, but then again they will be more expensive than BS so as long as we can make sure they have natural predators that won't break much.
BS position in Eve is hurt far more by the ABC's (formerly known as tier3's) as they are cheaper, faster, nimbler and have same projection, application and damage as BS .. as long as they exist BS will not .. hit them with the bat (I suggested a flat -50% tracking) or add something to BS to give them value that cannot be had elsewhere. |
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